An Interview with Ecologist & Children’s Book Author Elise Gornish
Elise Gornish is a life member of ESA and a founder of the Ecological Restoration Section. She was elected an Early Career Fellow of the Society in 2019.
In June, she published her first childrenโs book, what she believes is the first childrenโs book on ecological restoration. A Kidsโ Guide to Ecological Restoration is available via Amazon.
ESA: What was it that motivated you to want to write a childrenโs book about ecological restoration?

Elise Gornish. Photo by Martha Lochert.
Gornish: I have nephews, and I was searching for something online one of their birthdays when he was turning seven. And I was like, Okay, seven is a time that I feel like kids can start learning more nuances about the world, and I feel like ecological restoration is one of those more nuanced topics. I was searching on Amazon, and I was blown away that there wasnโt any book on ecological restoration for kids! Considering the fact that the UN Decade on Ecological Restoration is the next 10 years and we as adults have been doing a pretty horrific job in terms of managing and protecting and restoring our planet, maybe the only people we can even rely on now are the children.
Maybe it sounds crazy, but I think itโs a really important topic for kids to know about and be aware of, but itโs also one of the things that probably doesnโt come up very often in their science classes. They might be learning about climate change and all this doom-and-gloom stuff, just a wall of negativeโtrue, but negativeโinformation about the planet, and I donโt think itโs often accompanied by this sort of secondary, supplemental message that, actually, there are things we can do.
I work with a lot of high school and college students, and Iโm blown away by how many high school students donโt know what ecological restoration is. They couldnโt name it, and when you start talking about it, theyโre like, โOh, like picking up garbage and stuff.โ And youโre like, Yes, thatโs part of it, but. Clearly thereโs been an absence in learning.
So I thought it was important to give them the tools they need to be the best versions of themselves and maybe grown up into people who can help us not destroy everything.
ESA: Itโs interesting that you reference the climate doomism thatโs out there, and that you can put a hopeful air into your book because there really are things we can do.
Gornish: Right, and in the past, weโve done it. We closed the hole in the ozone. We did it together and stopped buying the very things that were contributing to the hole. Theyโre small wins, but they are there. People need to know that. You can feel helpless and stop recycling, like, โWho cares? Iโm going to go build war machines.โ So getting to the kids young, I just feel thatโs really important.
ESA: What was the process you went through to write this book? You mentioned earlier that you donโt have experience writing childrenโs books.
Gornish: I give a lot of talks on ecological restoration to people, and the main things that I talk about are active vs. passive restoration, large projects vs. small, and so on, so I took those main points and combined them with a hopeful tone. I just didnโt want a wall of numbers and data!
Then I took the book and sent it to a bunch of folks who work in 4-H Cooperative Extension. These are people who actually work with children regularly, and they gave me a lot of feedback on things like word choice and content. They pointed out particular kind of restoration projects, like, โThat seems fun. How do I do that?โ And I realized, we should have activities in the book! So we added a few at the end.
So essentially, the process was writing and mapping out the ideas, then talking with people with kids for feedback, and finally then showing it to kids.
ESA: So then what will those kids learn from reading the book or having it read to them?
Gornish: Hopefully they learn that this formalized thing thatโs around specifically to make habitats that weโve ruined better, and they can take part in it. They donโt have to get a PhD! At seven they can start planting native plants in the backyard and contribute to ecological restoration. I think itโs important for kids to learn that thereโs this process out there that they can take part in it if they want.
ESA: You mentioned that you were searching for books on the topic and didnโt find any.
Gornish: Which is crazy! There are books like โAstrophysics for Babies,โ which is great, other science books, and there are some conservation books for kids, but thereโs no other ecological restoration book for kids, not a single one. I thought thereโd be pages and pages of search results, and there arenโt. My brother is an engineer, so I know there are baby books for engineers.
So in addition to this book, my lab is now making an ecological restoration activity book for kids. Itโll be available for free by download. Something to give out at outreach events. Weโre still working on it, but I put one page of it on Twitter and I got messages from people in, like, Nepal saying, โCan you please send this when itโs done? We have been looking for restoration activities for children.โ And Iโm thinking, How has no one made this?
I just happen to have amazing artists in my lab and one day during a meeting I was like, Letโs make an activity book, and they were like, Yeah! So this wasnโt a result of me investigating the marketplace or anything. But Iโve been getting emails from people, so thereโs clearly a need and that need is not being filled. People in my lab have artistic skill, so people who are interested in ecological restoration can see this, and theyโre into it and they want it.
ESA: Other than the activity book, do you have plans to tackle anything else?
Gornish: I do want to translate the childrenโs book, first into Spanish since I work near the border, and the illustrator is actually a grad student from Mexico, so sheโll be able to translate it quickly. The logistics of it, when you upload something in Amazon, it automatically goes to Amazon U.S. and to international Amazonย listings, so it can be sold in countries where the first language is not English.
But translation, thatโs the next thing, and then weโll see. Iโm not a childrenโs author, Iโm a cooperative extension specialist, and outreach is a big part of what I do. With the book, within Arizona at least, Iโve already gotten requests to do book readings for kids. And Iโm like, Yeah, I can do that! Technically, my job pays me for that because Iโm doing outreach to the kids. So I feel like Iโll be doing a bit of that, talking about native plants and reading to kids. How lucky am I? And weโll see if that goes anywhere else. I donโt really have plans to build an empire in ecological restoration childrenโs things, though that seems cool when I say it out loud!
One of the grad students in the lab is the artist and she created a Restoration Cat, which will be this cat thatโs on all of the material in the activity book, but I was thinking that maybe would make a Restoration Cat t-shirt and socks and stuffed animals, but thatโs probably not going to happen. Maybe just for the lab. Maybe we can all get Restoration Cat tattoos.
ESA: If other ecologists or scientists in general wanted to write a childrenโs book or do something similar, what advice would you give them?
Gornish: This took a lot of time, so they should make sure they have an idea they really believe and that they can really spend a lot of time on. As a cooperative extension specialist, itโs mandated in my job that Iโm expected to do outreach, so luckily Iโm being rewarded by my job by creating this book. Iโm very lucky in that sense. Itโs not a side project per se; I have my experiments and all that, but I can do this, so Iโm much luckier than the researcher whoโs probably on the tenure track and expected to teach a bunch of classes and not traditionally rewarded for doing anything outside of our little sphere of science, publishing and peer review and all of that.
If you find an idea that youโre personally into and you know thereโs an opportunity in the marketโnot another โPhysics for Babiesโ since thereโs a million of thoseโfigure out if itโs something that youโre passionate about pursuing since itโs going to take much longer than you think. I went from โItโs a kidsโ book, how hard can it be?โ two years ago to just publishing now! Its because of all the things you donโt anticipate that you have to spend time on, especially if you donโt have any experience. Iโm fortunate that I had a lot of people who helped me.
But beyond that, do it! Science communication, we all know how important it is, and this is one of the best ways to do it because youโre directly connecting with the very people that are going to grow up and be the next stewards of the planet.
ESA: The people who are going to see your book are our members and others in our community. Is there anything else that you would want folks to know about or think about?
Gornish: There are a lot of people in ESA who arenโt obsessed with ecological restoration like I am. And thatโs okay! Theyโll soon come into the fold. But ecological restoration is one of the fastest growing industries on the planet and itโs one of the most critical. Itโs also very much connected to almost every other aspect of scienceโI work with microbial ecologists, I work with plant demographers, and so on. For anyone who is like, โEcological restoration, thatโs not my thing,โ maybe it isnโt now, but I bet if you learned a little bit more about it, I bet it could be of interest to you and your family.
Thereโs this running joke with ecologists that right now everything has to be about climate change. Like every grant and every paper has to somehow relate back to climate change. And I would say the same thing about ecological restoration. Climate change is whatโs ruining everything and weโre all responsible for it; ecological restoration, potentially, can halt and mitigate whatโs been ruined so itโs also more hopeful.
Also, try to stay positive. We all tend to fall into this doom and gloom, like how climate depression is becoming a field in and of itself. But if we all fall into that way of thinking, then weโre lost. Thatโs one of the things I want to address with the book. I was talking with the illustrator, and she asked what I was thinking, and I just thought, bright colors, happy animals, letโs make this as hopeful as possible. If not, first of all, whoโs going to want to read it? And second of all, thatโs what ecological restoration is for, itโs the hope that we can change things back before we completely destroy them, and stop the degradation of the earth.
